The Geothermal Power Generation

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The following was left as a comment in the algae biodiesel discussion by Sam Haynes. I felt it too interesting to be left buried deep in that other post, so here it is. Some eye-opening points here, please leave your comments…

"When I was first asked to write an article on alternate fuels for this blog, I did so to test my ability to write an article which would generate some interest, arouse some participation and stir the pot of discussion, so to speak.

I had no idea that what I wrote would stir the pot so well.

I have learned a lot reading these posts over the last few weeks. I encourage you to keep stirring, for I firmly believe that you can, one by one, piece by piece, come up with realistic approaches with meaningful ROI.

One of the early posts remarked that there is no one all encompassing solution to the alternative fuel pie challenge, rather various slices, each appropriate to a unique situation or set of constraints. I agree.

Marine Algae Biodiesel (MAB)is specific to the needs of our national transportation systems. The consumer infra-structure is already in place, needing only a change of signage on the pumps and station marquees. We could conclude that the arguments pro MAB are good and sufficient, requiring only resolution of the political and venture capital financial dog fights we are only too familiar with.

Ethanol from U.S. corn fields is a highly subsidized product requiring massive conversion of food grain acreage into subsidized corn production. The negative back lash against the status quo (AMD in case) is mounting daily and rightly so. The ROI number crunch is not friendly to Ethanol for fuel. Brazil is universally cited as a model for ethanol for transportation but hardly any mention is made of the massive and necessary technology changes in automobile fuel handling to make the system work. There seems to be too much smoke and mirrors around the concept for the U.S. to make Ethanol a meaningful fuel alternate.

Fuel cells and elementary Hydrogen are also two exciting alternatives, both of which would require massive industrial production and delivery technology changes. Both are worth further R&D and are feasible for limited specialized applications where cost is a minor factor.

Two of the most interesting alternate sources are Wind Turbines, excellent for remote power grid locations where wind is a constant reliable source, and Geothermal steam tukrbine power generators.

Of the two, Wind is a highly developed, currently in use application in remote and isolated regions globally. Its ROI based on location constraints is excellent.

Geothermal power generation is a sleeping giant currently being exploited around the world in some of the most unlikely locations. There is something almost seminal about drawing nourishment from the heart of mother earth.

The potential energy available from the hot strata deep within our crust is for all practical purposes, inexhaustible. The technology for deep well drilling is already available and currently being used. Deep strata sourcing can be drilled literally anywhere a rig can be set up.

More easily tapped geothermal sources can be made along any volcanic fault lines, of which the U.S. has several. (I used to live in Hawai'i (The comma actually belongs there) and local proposals to tap the main island volcano, Kiluea, for live steam production cum turbo electric power generation were met with controlled rage by some of the state's native Hawaian population who still cling to the pagan religious beliefs, especially those of Pele, goddess of fire and volcanos. Powerful stuff! There are more user friendly places.

Within the contiguous states, the most likely location is Yellowstone National Park. Yellowstone has several good reasons for establishing a large geothermal power plant there, the obvious one being evidenced by the geysers, numerous geysers, present in what geologists and volcanologists call the Yellowstone Caldera. The geothermal source is very close to the surface there, making its use more cost effective.

There is a more pressing reason to source power there and that is the history of Yellowstone Caldera. Some seventeen thousand years ago it blew up, sending a lethal layer of volcanic ash as far east as Kansas, killing everything it fell upon. The blow up was the latest in a cyclical blast that some geologists calculate to occur every 17,000 years, plus or minus.

It would seem that we are presently due for that big bang at Yellowstone any time now. Not impressed? Due diligence, my friends, due diligence. Google: "Yellowstone Caldera volcanic activity". BTW, I am citing all this off the top of my head from data I read some years ago. Check me out, please. Don't take anyone's word for anything until you personally have checked out their credibility. Me included!

Their is an ad by General Electric, I believe, currently running on TV, promoting geothermal energy. They make some mind boggling claims. Check that out.

I believe that, using all or some of the alternate energy pie slices above, that we could be totally energy independent within the next fifteen to twenty years.

We put a man on the moon, not once but many times. We can do anything if we set a national goal and commit to making personal sacrifices till we get it done.

The only thing standing in our way is our own apathy, a "Let George do it; I don't want to get involved" national curse. My friends, it is for me a struggle of morals and spirituality against the lust for power and greed for money.

Election day is coming up next Tuesday. Do you know whose bed your candidate is sleeping in tonight? Do you approve? Tell that scoundrel next week. Demand accountability. It is your right. One small vote can make a big difference."

Aloha oe,

Pathfinder

…thanks for that Sam, interesting stuff I'm sure you'd agree. So, what do you think…?

Comments on The Geothermal Power Generation »

Jim Graves

Well written article and hits the nail right on the head. Now the reason that it won't be done in our life time….there is still oil, natural gas and the other bio fuels that money is to be made on. Until such time that big business gets out of the biodiesel, alternative energy business, there will not be any advances in something for us commoners. Too much money to be made off us, lord knows that any capitalist worth his salt won't do something for mankind until all the money is taken…..
wORLD, DO SOMETHING FOR YOUR FELLOW MAN!!!!!!!

America loves to invent: We will harness more geothhermal power. Along with the methane in farm wastes- no bull shooks.

Geothermal "How to build" - Is there any information on to construct and finance in build Geothermal Plants ?
I live by hot springs and as a investor, I should seriously look into this.

Can you help me ?

Thanks,

Kevin

Dale Burton

Yellowstone does blow every 17,000 years or so, but that isn't the most interesting time table to consider. Every 17,000 years or so it has a small blow. Every 600,000 years or so it has a major blow and the last one of those was about 600,000 years ago. Tapping the energy of this sleeping giant may just save the human race.

If saving the human race doesn't impress you; How about cheap, clean, renewable energy. Yellowstone has a mind boggling abundance of it.

I'm not ready to rule out growing energy either. If we use existing farm land it becomes problematic, but what about land that isn't really in use at all. We have a long stretch of scrub land in the southwestern untied states and northwestern Mexico that fits the bill; Just add water. If we set up a solar system to boil off fresh water and then flash it into steam with a solar mirror array, we could create electric energy with a fresh water by-product that could be used to irrigate the scrub land for crop production. The other by-product is sea salt, which has become a fairly marketable product these days.

Sam Haynes

One never knows whom one has touched, moved to think a little deeper, challenged a little bit to higher goals… ideas. It is gratifying to read the feed back my comments have loosed among you all. Thanks.

I perceive that there is a very large interest in the idea of 'alternate energy sources' beyond 'marine algal bio diesel' issues. But what, beyond individual searching for venture capital sources, is being done to move the movers? Ugly thought, isn't it?

I think it is time for this local interest cell to get pro-active, get organized into a consensus driven lobby group dedicated to puting the fire to the feet of our congress. Are lobby groups effective? Is pork attached to every piece of law coming out of congress? "Evil will triumph when good people remain silent".

I was told by a congressman many years ago that he, and other legislatoprs, do pay attention to the letters they get from voters. The squeakiest wheel does get the grease! But it has to be organized and focused pot stirring.

Here's my thoughts on how to get it going.

List all the various energy sources you have discussed here.
Organize feasibility (ROI) groups for each one. Use the Worst Case Scenario.
The UNH study is a good model to copy.
Prioritize the individual sourcees based on :
a) national energy needs
b) local community needs
c) individual needs
Assign task groups to compose ROI studies for each feasible alternate energy source. For example: Group 1 would create a study on:

Marine Algal Biodiesel production for national transportation .demands.
(Use UNH report here for basic feasibility and ROI.)

Group 2 might do a study on :

Community based power generation using bio diesel derived from algal conversion of community waste water..

Group 3 could do their study on:

Whatever local need that would be directly benefited by local production of bio diesel and bd bioi mass products.

Not to beat it to death, you get the drift.

Be specific to one topic. Keep focused. Whatever you send to your congressman, it will be read first by staffers who adhere to the principal of KISS…Keep It Simple, Stupid! for anything they pass on to The Boss. Smother the poor thing with useable consise, relevant data. Data he can use to make a sensible decision when it comes time to vote on your bill. Not enough? Google: "How to lobby your elected official"
Be inaginative.

I am treading on shaky ground here but I suspect that over ninety percent of our lawmakers are totally incompetent when it comes to figuring out what to support and how to present it. Let's face it; they have a huge task in serving their voters. They need help and are welcoming any one who offers them help. Professional lobbyists make millions each year "helping" them. Ever hear of "Special Interests?"

Can you see where I am trying to lead you? I hope so! Our national motto is found on each dollar bill, in Laatin. It reads: "E Pluribus Unum"… Out of many, One.

Become an "Interest Group". One dedicated to motivating lawmakers towards doing what is right for our nation, our earth, our people.

Sam, Pathfinders 2008

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